Vimeo VS Youtube

TL;DR at the end of the post.
/!\ Update: Added the example of Rob Scallon, blader & musician.

Vimeo VS Youtube

People in the Rollerblading scene sure love Vimeo.

Why? For a single reason, (unlike Youtube) Vimeo allows the use of copyrighted songs without restriction. You can use your favorite music in your latest edits and no Major Music Company will be able to do anything.

This may change in the future, if anything close to the SOPA or PIPA get accepted. Websites like Vimeo would just close.

Vimeo VS Youtube

Bladers massively migrated from Youtube to Vimeo after October 2007 when Vimeo was the first to get Hi Definition Support ; Youtube was really late on this, you had to wait until December 2008 (14 months later) to get access to hi quality videos.

In 2012, HD is supported on every streaming platforms, staying on Vimeo for bladers might be a mistake. Why?

Charlie bit my finger

You may remember the Youtube clip Charlie bit my finger, a viral clip of a child biting his brother. The family who uploaded the video earned more than £100,000 (around 155 680 US $), the video was viewed 392 million times at the time of the article.

Take the ATL Waterpark Section from Black Market. This video was viewed more than 2,695,000 times in 17 months. Basic mathematics tell me that the guy who uploaded this cashed about 1000$ (or he didn’t check his youtube messages & must be really mad now).

Black Market, ATL Waterpark Section:
2,695,000+ Views in 17 months.

Of course most blading videos won’t reach 2 millions views. This one went viral but skaters surely can earn some royalties with their work that way (most videos on Youtube get monetized once your reached the 10k views cap).

Nils Jansons Section wrs

On Vimeo even the most popular blading videos won’t reach 100k views. The most viewed video of the WRS Uploaded Contest (the Nils Jansons Section) only reached 75k views.

There are 2 exceptions to this: the Greg Mirzoyan Salt Mine Clip (965k views, the video was featured on the main page of Reddit) & the Razor Swag Edit by Vinny Minton (149k views, the video was tweeted by Greg Yaitanes, the executive producer and director of HOUSE MD season 7).

Some popular blading videos on Youtube:
Note that each of those videos are posted several times on Youtube.

I’m surprised that the owners of those videos don’t claim their work (like VEVO does with his musicvideos), rehost better quality versions on their account and earn 3-4k dollars per year. If you can prove Youtube that these videos are yours, they will just take the mirrors down.

Some brands choosed to stay on Youtube and this is good, they are getting some income from their work:

  • Remz (112 videos): 3,545,533+ video views.
  • Razors (197 videos): 5,818,045+ video views.

the youtube boob effect: add boobs to your thumbnail and get 100k extra views

On Vimeo, you get less views because the only one watching your videos are actually bladers. There are no viral effect on Vimeo, the only way for your video to get exposure on Vimeo is the Staff Pick Section which feature video on their index. In more than 4 years, Vimeo never featured a single blading video although almost all the community post their work on their website.

I’m hearing a huge troll screaming in the background “Yes, it’s cool, that way. If only bladers watch our videos, this is perfect, we want to stay underground”. Let me post something i saw last week that somehow made me really sad.

dominic sagona mri
Dominic Sagona, Hurt.

adam johnson
Adam Johnson, Magma Interview.

Dominic Sagona & Adam Johnson have a lot of amazing videos. Why don’t they monetize their past and future work on Youtube?

If you don’t have a good job on the side and a good healthcare, skating just looks like russian roulette. You can have fun but it can also end really quickly. People in the USA also have one of the worst healthcare system worldwide, just check Sicko by Michael Moore, it explains it really well).

Take the gaming “community”, a lot of broadcasters live from their work on Youtube: The Yoggcast, The Cynical Brit. What those guys do isn’t exceptional, they sure do it well and on a regular basis but what they’re only giving their first impressions on games they are playing.

Take Dominic Sagona, that guy is amazing. He has a unique skating skill and on the side creates music and is also DJing.

Just take your camera! Film your life, explain what you’re going through. Put on video your creative process while working on a new song ; test new music softwares, give your first impressions on it, bring the camera on your DJ set, show people how it’s done. Most people live a life extremely boring, just give us the opportunity to have a glimpse of what your exciting life looks like…

Make money on Youtube! Even if your videos are not that popular, beer’s money as Damien Wilson likes to call it, is worth it. Don’t use musics owned by Majors though, or half of the planet won’t be able to watch your videos (hello Germany!)

If you’re producing your own music (like Julian Bah, Franky Morales, …), just use your work. Else why not promoting indy bands? There are tons of musicians no one ever heard in your local area ; check Soundcloud too, i’m sure they are lots of people who would be glad to let you use their work if you just credit them somewhere.

About Youtube, Google, Adsense & VEVO

Youtube is the property of Google, Google also own Adsense, the most successful Online advertising program. You get paid via Adsense when you generate money via Youtube.

A lot of channels on Youtube are labelled artistVEVO. VEVO is a joint venture among Sony Music Entertainment, Universal Music Group, and EMI. They control together the musicvideos they own and generate money via Youtube.

Rob Scallon, Blader & Musician
Youtube.com/robs70986987

I’ve been a youtube partner for a while now and have been fortunate enough to have youtube provide a regular income for me as a musician in the past year.

I’m not making enough money from it to quite my job of course, but with this and so many other benefits on youtube. Why are all rollerbladers on vimeo? (link to the comment).

TL;DR (Too long, didn’t read).

You can earn money from your videos on Youtube. WTF are you doing on Vimeo?

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  • Stuart Young

    Really interesting article! Thanks for the insight!
    Basically people – if you manage to make a video using your own music or music with permission – then you’ll not only make money, but Youtibe will make sure your origonal High Quality video is the only one on Youtube. What’s not to like or respect about that? Especially for those skaters who want to try and make a life out of skating, it’s a perfect tool to earn some extra cash and therefore work less and skate more – win!

    I myself have broken way too many bones in my life and had to pretty much stop skating for fear of messing up my career and my life with an injury (I do still roll on occasion, but I have to force myself to take it really easy!) – welcome to real life once you’re out on your own and growing up in the big bad world.
    And this article provides a small solution to living with loads of heavy expenses and trying to skate at the same time. Again – such a win.

    Kudos for the article man.

  • Anonymous

    CBS OWNS CNET AND USED IT TO PROPOGATE THE SOFTWARE THAT MADE INTERNET PIRACY WHAT IT IS AFTER NAPSTER WAS TAKEN DOWN AND THEY REALIZED THEY COULD USE THAT SAME LEGAL LEVERAGE TO TAKE OVER THE INTERNET AND MONOPOLIZE IT WITH THEIR OWN SHITTY MEDIA. ACTA IS A BIGGER DEAL THAN SOPA

  • dka

    Hey, the pros can make “new” sections mixing the old stuff, add some from the leftovers and use independend music. Also new montage and fx…

    This will be cool even for us! At least every blader will watch all the new clips once and this will bring hella views => $ for the pros !!!

    personaly i will be fascinated from “reedits”

  • http://www.koubis.com/ koubis

    // How can you earn on videos that have illegaly used soundtracks…. There is no question abut that there is nothing to claim about, sorry guys.

    Just use another song.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_music
    http://soundcloud.com/ Ask musicians there.

  • Ben Shelbourne

    Fucking hippies I bet its all there fault.

  • https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000934842980 Ángel Meléndez

    FUCK YES!

    DOMINIC! DOMINIC! DOMINIC! DOMINIC! DOMINIC!

    PLEASE! I HOPE YOU READ THESE LINES… YOU GOT ME INTO BLADING… YOURS WERE THE FIRST SKATES I BOUGHT AND I STILL GOT EM HERE AND AM DEEPLY IN LOVE WITH EM… (YOUR ‘PUG LIFE’ BOOTS ARE ALREADY ORDERED)

    BEING SUBSCRIBED TO YOUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL IF YOU MADE YOURSELF ONE AND WATCHING YOUR DAILY/WEEKLY ‘V-LOGS’ IS A LONG LONG DREAM OF MINE… YOU REALLY ARE ONE OF A KIND AND I ALWAYS PITIED THAT YOU’RE GETTING SO UNDERRATED/LESS MEDIA EXPOSURE.

    I HOPE YOU AT LEAST CONSIDER DOING IT AND MAYBE EVEN TRY IT AND MAYBE YOULL START TO LIKE IT… JUST SAYIN…

  • New Spot

    My fall got 130,00 views through break.com on Youtube. Only made like 200 dollars. Falls seem to generate more hits than actually landing a trick.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmc5VACv7Uc

  • Anonymous

    Murda has a video with around 500k views 0_0 its the 1st thing that comes up when you search him w| the jay z song

  • end is new start

    Everything revolves in a big circle. It just gives us another chance to rebuild it even better…if people see the big picture…Ask yourself this questions…DO YOU REALLY SEE THE BIG PICTURE???