Savannah & AO Unity
People misuse the word “Savannah” and use it to describe an Alley oop front/back unity.
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July 17th, 2007 at 6:32 pm
RIP ST
July 17th, 2007 at 6:38 pm
IS STUPID
July 17th, 2007 at 6:39 pm
ARE GAY
July 17th, 2007 at 6:44 pm
omg i cant believe u put this on the front page, ppl use w/e they want i call it savannah and im gunna keep calling it savanna and how come a 270 back royale isnt an alley-opp farv?? i dont think there should be any alley opp hblock tricks
July 17th, 2007 at 7:10 pm
emayzee3 Says:
July 17th, 2007 at 6:44 pm
omg i cant believe u put this on the front page, ***ppl use w/e they want i call it savannah and im gunna keep calling it savanna***
+100 man. just because he says a savannah is a “270 ao back unity” or whatever the fuck he is trying to make it, it’s not gonna change what i call savannah, every single roller should have their own opinion on trick names and should not try and conform others to their preferred names.
now i come to think about it, i could call savannah a cross-leg grindy thing for all i care, it’s what matters to me when i roll.
July 17th, 2007 at 7:35 pm
a Savannah is a backside ao unity.
I didn’t think the 270 had anything to do with it. and to quote mark shays commentating is not a valid argument, that guy got everything wrong.
I thought that you know you are doing a Savannah if you are throwing your front (grinding) foot behind your backfoot and are backside.
and that guy who’s been skating 11 years in the forums, well so have I, and I thought it was bs ao unity.
which I still think it is
July 17th, 2007 at 7:42 pm
yeah this guy is right!
Sav: cross my legs so that the lead foot is behind my body
Unity: cross my legs so that the lead foot is in front of my body
done
this should be taken off the news page it’s wrong and misleading
July 17th, 2007 at 8:25 pm
i cant believe theres an arguement over this. i’ve been skating for 10 years and the original poster is right. thats the way it was originally. everyone just keeps fucking up the names. people want rollerblading to have a good image and everyone has different names for tricks. anyone remember the “sunny day” and “cloudy night” tricks? haha
July 17th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
savannah are the trick thats harder. theyre like true top porns only you move your back foot yo.
July 17th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
This post is utterly retarded! Who cares what it’s called?! What’s in a name anyways?! I heard on Mars they called AO backside unities !TIHSTEA What does it matter? IT DOESN’T!
July 17th, 2007 at 9:22 pm
Difference between “soul” and “mizou”
OK I can see that
Difference between “sunny day” and “cloudy night”
Thats wack and I dont really care
Difference between “savanna” and “unity”
Get a life
July 17th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
on a side note, I miss salomons :(
July 17th, 2007 at 9:54 pm
“Sav: cross my legs so that the lead foot is behind my body
Unity: cross my legs so that the lead foot is in front of my body
done”
That’s the right definition right there!
July 17th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
Billy Prislin is the mad. He started to make that trick look fuck hot and remember in Project Mahem (SP) he did 270 savana on that kink rail. FUCK i wish that guy was still skating. He was the man, from Plastic Balance till the IMYTA ATL topsoul tru acid. FUCK i miss him and that style. Well it does not matter what the FUCK u call it. If you can do it call it what ever you want. I myself used to call it a/o unity back in the day cause thats what it was.
July 17th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
its true , i agree with rando ,
bs savannah - 270 inspin ao bs unity
fs savanah - 270 outspin ao fs unity
it makes senses , a unity is crossing the front leg in front of the back leg , and ao unity is the same but going backward , maybe most of you will say there is no ao and truespin with h-blocks tricks , so what an truespin fs royale for you , 270 outspin royal ??!!?? , rando is right
July 17th, 2007 at 10:55 pm
Rollernews really puts some retarded shit on the front page.
This is the LAMEST argument. If it’s a 270 trick, call it that. don’t give it name.
same with the whole porn star/cloud night bull shit from back in the day.
savannah is easier than “truespin bacskide unity” a unity is a unity.
YOU CAN’T BACK UNITY AND THEN DO A TRUESPIN BACK UNITY ON THE SAME OBJECT.
July 17th, 2007 at 11:22 pm
rollerblading is gay anyway. so keep on doing it
July 17th, 2007 at 11:40 pm
wrong…hehe
270 back savvanah…is a farv an alley oop royal.. ??
July 17th, 2007 at 11:43 pm
shouldn’t waste a word, ups!
July 17th, 2007 at 11:45 pm
TRICK NAMES EVOLVE GET OVER IT!!!!
July 17th, 2007 at 11:50 pm
i agree with robF.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:11 am
I agree with the original poster, everything that he said is correct and the way that i was taught bakc in the day. About 90% of rollers have this wrong. BUT i’ve never heard the argument about savannahs and unities and which foot is going forward and what not and that’s where the real argument lies. I mean he does Feinburg on his side and i know for damn sure that Aaron knows what he’s talking about
July 18th, 2007 at 12:15 am
THERE ARE NO ALLEY OOP HBLOCK TRICKS YOU STUPID FUCKS ITS ONLY ALLEY OOP IF YOU ARE DOING A SOUL BASED TRICK.
July 18th, 2007 at 1:26 am
every skate shud have their own opinion on trick names?? wat the fuck is that??
July 18th, 2007 at 1:29 am
alley oop or truespin doesn’t mean backwards grind, its just means which way you are spinning or which way you turn
July 18th, 2007 at 1:29 am
There isnt anything to agree with lol its ao unity and true back unity thats the correct names for the trick and this kid above me is super gay and prob has aids, slit yo wrists VERTICALLY.
July 18th, 2007 at 1:35 am
i know thats how people use the terms now adays but that isn’t the original use of the word alley oop, which came from vert to describe how you air’d across the ramp
July 18th, 2007 at 1:59 am
“THERE ARE NO ALLEY OOP HBLOCK TRICKS YOU STUPID FUCKS ITS ONLY ALLEY OOP IF YOU ARE DOING A SOUL BASED TRICK.”
July 18th, 2007 at 3:21 am
lemme give yall my two cents. imagine if you were to come from the right towards a ledge grind now if you spin (left=truespin) now take your left foot swing it back around your right and there you have it either you just ate shit or you commited and successfully pulled a “true savannah” nooow if you come again from the right side towards the grind and spin out (to your right) 270 degrees swing your right and left foot into back unity position (twisted depending if you understand what the fuck you are doing or not and i mean really this shit is way easiar than a true sav) you then have a full blown 270 alley-oop(because your throwing your backside into it) unity. now kiddies go and enjoy what we call rollerblading aka fruitboot, fagblade, life, and now “freestyle rolling” or rolling if thats to long
roller4life
July 18th, 2007 at 4:15 am
^ this guy made some sense, until now I never looked at a true back unity as a true savannah but it totally is, think of it this way: I call unities like i’d call pornstar tricks(and that’s the only reason i ever use the terms “alley-oop” or “truespin” with unity tricks) true-top porn=true back unity/truespin savannah, true porn=true/270- front unity/frontside savannah, alley-oop-top porn=savannah/270 back unity, alley-oop porn=equals alley-oop unity. That’s how i see it and that’s how the original poster seems to see it
July 18th, 2007 at 4:42 am
savannah is like when your doing an ao pornstar… bs savannah is when your like doing truespin topside pornstar… unity is like doing a pornstar.. and a bs unity is like topside pornstar…
July 18th, 2007 at 4:55 am
Times change, trick names change too, and backside alleyoop savannah would become a real pain to say over and over.
July 18th, 2007 at 6:17 am
man you guys are so stupid….
firstly a Savanah is a: 270 backside alleyoop unity, hmm quite a mouthful, so they call it a Savannah.
An Alleyoop unity, or alleyoop front unity, means that one has spun 90 degrees alleyoop rotation(not truespin) and has locked in with their leading foot being wrapped around the back of the trailing foot.
A “back sav” or “savannah” as mistakenly called is a Backide alleyoop unity, or a truespin backside alleyoop unity. *nb: if i was to say truespin back unity that would infer that, i have 450′d into a backside unity…
please also understand that there is 2 ways of spinning in rollerblades, truespin and alleyoop….
e.g. i spin anti-clockwise, if there was a rail goin down stairs, (in ref to gapping) and it was on my left on approach and i spun 540 over it, that would be an alleyoop 540, if i was to approach with the rail on my right and spin 540 over it, thats a truespin 540…
in ref to grinds though alleyoop can also describe the nature of whicvh way you are sliding in the trick…
if i can be bothered ill scan and post the poobah from Daily Bread issue 21 i think whicvh has an in depth explanation of trick vocab….
now thisa shit only matters really, when tricks are seen in print format to properly understand what is goin on, or to get props when you are talkin up yourself and what you did…
ohh and u can back unity and backside alleyoop unity an obstacle on the same side, well i can, cos my natural for tricks are different… get your heads around that hahaha
July 18th, 2007 at 6:29 am
naw im pretty sure i got my true spins down and thats inspinning also 270 bs a o’s are still 270 bs a o’s
July 18th, 2007 at 6:31 am
and yo a fucking savannah is an a o unity theres no 270 backside involved at all
July 18th, 2007 at 7:26 am
hahahaha sk8rs soul
no a savannah is a 270 backside alleyoop unity (or a forwards inspin 270 reverse/alleyoop unity)
thats what a savannah is,
the confusion is mostly in the alleyoop,
is it clearer if its said/written, 270 backside reverse unity = savannah?
and to clarify inspin is where you start your spin off with the first 90 degrees of rotation lookin/facing the obstacle, outspin is where the intial 90 degrees of rotation is facing away from the obstacle…
p.s inspin and outspin is how we should describe spinning fakie into tricks… Saying Cab, gives props to skateboarding as its trick named after it’s invent whore steve caballero (a fakie/switch stance on a skateboard and spinning either a 180/half cab or 360/full cab), and we dont ride sideways or a switch stance haha, we have forwards and backwards, aand crab hahaha
July 18th, 2007 at 9:20 am
first of all the poster actually show a savannah. ever since daily bread was out they could never truly get the names down right. I’ve been skating for fifteen years and I remember when they said that brian bell was doing a farside mizou when he was doing a sweatstance I remember when they use to call top souls dark side soul or far side soul in his little video he shows guy doing 270 back sav. and that’s just a little different but the trick is still the same.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:27 am
this is the first time iv every been anoyed with roller news. it doesnt matter what the trick is called so why the fuck should we call it that? im still gonna call them savahnas and im sure over half the people on this forum is gonna keep calling them that.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:59 pm
Here’s the thing lads:
Let’s take the “neighbourhood”.
I’ve heard it called a “biscuit” and a “byn soul” and a “demon”.
Names change from location to location. So since when is there a “correct” name? Same with the “California” (sit-down) grinds. Loads of people just call a (for example) California Top Acid a Top Acid.
As for the Unity/Savannah thing. I don’t know what is “correct” and, truth be told, I don’t really care, so long as somebody understands what I mean. Sure porns used to be called acid mizous I think? And nobody complains there?
I (personally) am not into the idea of calling what I’ve always called a Savannah an “AO Unity”. Surely “AO” is a term for SOUL-based tricks and not for H-block or “ROYALE”-based tricks.
I don’t like the idea of what I call a savannah being an “AO Unity for another reason-BECAUSE i LIKE THE NAME FARV AND NEVER WISH TO CALL A FARV AN AO ROYALE.
Yet another reason is that any AO tricks that are spun into (or indeed spun into with truespin) get the spins counted as so: 180, 360, 540.
The idea of someone saying “I did a 360 unity” just confuses me. That could mean they entered it 270 OR 450 as they are both close to 360 and they’ve merely neglected to mention whether they entered it fakie or landed it backside.
I also here people say “true” unity and “true” savannah a lot. It’s not true because it’s a H-block trick, it’s BACKSIDE until you spin 270 degrees or more. To do a true backside savannah would require a 450 spin (unless you took off from fakie of course, then it would be 270 or, God forbid, 630).
Next people will be saying “I did a true royale”. “Um, you mean a back royale?” “Yeah a back royale, whoops”.
All that is just the way I see it. I might be wrong. If I am, I don’t care. I can sleep comfortably tonight knowing that Chris Edwards, Jon Julio, Arlo Eisenburg and Dustin Latimer aren’t going to be waiting under my bed tos tab me to death because I mis-named a trick.
Get over it.
July 18th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
IM STILL GONNA CALL IT A SAVANAH so fuck off… who cares what its called - just do tricks dont worry about the names!
July 18th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
savannah sounds better
July 18th, 2007 at 3:54 pm
so what about farv? people actually call it ao royale? I thought it was full torque now. torque being one foot.
and whatever happened to wheel barrows? they were fun, but for some reason became uncool.
and what about xgrinds are they called something else, and does it matter if your front foot us topside, or your backfoot, or are there two ridiculous names for that?
and what’s the grind called that’s sweatstance but your topside foot is only grinding on the back wheel part of the frame?
wow…this is one place our sport has always suffered. too many variations is good and bad for explaining and understanding our sport.
I think someone should have richie eisler or someone do a sweet 16 of every trick, all labeled in an edit. it would be hours long.
July 18th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
call it what ever is easiest.
im not gona go around saying “270 degree alley oop back side unity grind” when i can just say “back sav”.
who cares anyway.
July 18th, 2007 at 4:06 pm
and i just want to say who ever made the name farvernuegensnjklfsd is a tool.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:14 pm
if people saw that rollerbladers argue over shit like this cause the names are solidified yet, they’d know how stupid you guys are
July 19th, 2007 at 2:31 am
yo fuck dat!!!??!!! rollllerrrrr4444lifffeeeeeee
July 19th, 2007 at 5:09 am
yep rollings goin places…
i mean we dont even have proper names for tricks
and yeah, have fun being cool when your 2 n 1/2 years of rollin is up…
anyone wana start a pornstar debate? cos thats actually the trick alleyoop, i remember if you did it forwards then it was said forwards porn hahaha
whateva….
i think its just important for you KIDS to know your roots, appreciate and embrace them, fuk it, like every area of rollin, ohh that kids pants are this way, hats grosse, fukin idiot its still skating, vert, amazing, like just cos it aint for you doesnt make it any more, or any less credible than stuff that is “for you”
July 19th, 2007 at 8:47 am
Rob. That last trick you asked about is called a rough sweatstance. Kind of like a rough makio/Mizou/Kindgrind/Fish and even like a rough soul. When you grind on the soul’s heel only it then becomes rough. I think the same goes for just grinding on the toe part of the soul. As for Rollerbladingisgay, I don’t remember the last time your sport had a commercial either based on them or with pro’s in it. You have Jackass and other shows to show the world how truly stupid and a glutton for pain you truly are since you can’t do your easy ass tricks correctly. I still am waiting for the time when a am can grind a half of a rail without trying it a thousand times. or see a trick besides 50-50 on the mini ramps (what a fuckin cheater ass trick. ) Get a life and a job Rollerbladingisgay and realize how gay it is to love wood you fuckin Dick Muncher.
July 20th, 2007 at 4:44 am
i mean i do care what its called and everything but then again i could really give a flying fuck i love rolling so much you could call it a “whack a hater” for all i care cuz really, fuck you!!!lolz
July 20th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
i call it a criss cross applesause